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 No.1423

Do you know of any good podcasts or youtube channels about music? I like the music themed episodes of Chris Jericho's podcast but he only does those once in a blue moon. I've also watched a little of Sea of Tranquility and it seems comfy if you want to watch an old boomer with fucked teeth talk about old, obscure, shit.

 No.1424

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Circle of Tone does good videos taking apart guitar sounds and shitting on modern rock.

 No.1425

>>1424
CoT is good at reverse engineering guitar tones but he sucks at diagnosing the problem with modern rock/metal. It ain't cookie cutter production because alotta the biggest metal bands strived in the 80s, where production was either extremely flat (a la every SST record) or extremely overtly produced like Def Leppard or any other glam metal band. Even some thrash metal bands had horrid phil collins gated reverb on the drums like Prong and Morbid Saint, a death metal band. CoT also talks about how rappers are the new rockstars and how rock musicians need to become rockstars. This is true but he fails to see why this isn't possible in today's climate. Rock musicians can't be rockstars because of SJWs, progressivism, "the jews" if you will while rappers can because they're niggers so trying to cancel them would be seen as racist or that whypipo tryna holdem down n shieeet. Niggers can fuck underage women, rape women like Charlemagne tha God, beat women like XXXtentacion and Chris Brown and all sorts of other shit while Marilyn Manson can't even engage in consensual soft BDSM play. Not only can niggers do all that but their fans support them even more if they do it like when XXXtentacion went to jail for beating his gf. Obviously you can't say that on yt so i should probably give CoT some slack.

 No.1426

>>1423
I just noticed how much that image reminds me of a Chad version of Gahoole.
>>1425
>It ain't cookie cutter production because alotta the biggest metal bands strived in the 80s, where production was either extremely flat (a la every SST record) or extremely overtly produced like Def Leppard or any other glam metal band.
Even the bad-sounding albums from that era still sound less anodyne than modern metal.

He's also mentioned that bad songwriting is the other part of the problem, which I agree with.
>Even some thrash metal bands had horrid phil collins gated reverb on the drums like Prong and Morbid Saint, a death metal band.
Gated reverb sounds cool. I don't think it's necessarily appropriate for metal though, unless it's on a hair metal record or something.
>Rock musicians can't be rockstars because of SJWs, progressivism, "the jews" if you will while rappers can because they're niggers so trying to cancel them would be seen as racist or that whypipo tryna holdem down n shieeet. Niggers can fuck underage women, rape women like Charlemagne tha God, beat women like XXXtentacion and Chris Brown and all sorts of other shit while Marilyn Manson can't even engage in consensual soft BDSM play. Not only can niggers do all that but their fans support them even more if they do it like when XXXtentacion went to jail for beating his gf. Obviously you can't say that on yt so i should probably give CoT some slack.
You're right in that it's a top-down problem and not one where people can easily band together and change things. The only way I could see of fighting against it is creating something that gets so popular in the underground that the Synagogue has no choice but to try and co-opt it, and even that's not ideal for obvious reasons.

 No.1427

>>1426
>Even the bad-sounding albums from that era still sound less anodyne than modern metal.
that's easy to say since pretty much only the best albums of the 80's stood the test of time. Crap like Diamond Rexx and Dangerous Toys are pretty much forgotten now yet bands like that made up 90% of the 80's.
>He's also mentioned that bad songwriting is the other part of the problem, which I agree with.
80's didn't really have good songwriting either. Take a band like WASP, they're best known for having a good 3 songs on the radio because the rest of their music sounds like they're playing the same goddamn song. Pretty much every band in the 80's, even a lot of the underground bands, strictly followed the verse-chorus-verse structure for every song they made. There's nothing inherently wrong with that if you spice up the structure with variation but alotta 80's bands simply repeated the verse and chorus until the solo then did the chorus at the end. Pretty formulaic if you ask me. Today you got the opposite with bands being accused of making "riff salad" or just doing 10 different breakdowns in a song.
>The only way I could see of fighting against it is creating something that gets so popular in the underground that the Synagogue has no choice but to try and co-opt it, and even that's not ideal for obvious reasons.
the underground aint gonna let that happen. the underground nowadays are either antifa or just passive aggressive power tripping assholes in general. Promoters literally blacklist bands that are better than their shitty bands, regardless of their political beliefs or if they even have political beliefs. And good luck getting noticed online when jewtube and instagoyim will take down your shit in less than 12 hours.

 No.1429

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>>1427
>that's easy to say since pretty much only the best albums of the 80's stood the test of time. Crap like Diamond Rexx and Dangerous Toys are pretty much forgotten now yet bands like that made up 90% of the 80's.
I find even forgettable '80s metal far less unpleasant than most of the music coming out now.
>80's didn't really have good songwriting either.
It was basically the peak of metal songwriting. The NWOBHM and thrash bands pretty much all peaked then. If you think of an iconic metal song, there's a better chance it came out in the '80s than any decade after.
>Take a band like WASP, they're best known for having a good 3 songs on the radio because the rest of their music sounds like they're playing the same goddamn song.
Their first album was good, even if there is filler on it. It's just solid, straightforward metal with catchy choruses. It's one of the best hair metal records out there, although that's not saying much considering what a missed opportunity the genre was. The only better glam metal records that come to mind for me would be Appetite for Destruction and Shout at the Devil. Most of the bands tend to be "best of" material, and that's being generous. Link very related: one of the two Britny Fox songs I can even remember after listening to two of their albums.
>the underground aint gonna let that happen. the underground nowadays are either antifa or just passive aggressive power tripping assholes in general. Promoters literally blacklist bands that are better than their shitty bands, regardless of their political beliefs or if they even have political beliefs. And good luck getting noticed online when jewtube and instagoyim will take down your shit in less than 12 hours.
And nowadays venues are less accommodating to rock bands than they used to be, even if they aren't blacklisted.

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This fat bipolar pitchfork faggots' streams were pretty comfy but as mentioned he is bipolar and will delete fucking everything at any given moment.

 No.1433

>>1429
>I find even forgettable '80s metal far less unpleasant than most of the music coming out now.
I'd agree, music nowadays is dogshit but the 80's had alotta stinkers and a lot more forgettable, of-its-time type tunes.
>It was basically the peak of metal songwriting.
eh idk. NWOBHM had Maiden and Def Leppard (and Motorhead but I wouldn't call them great songwriters for making the same song over and over again) but the rest of the scene was pretty forgettable. Sure there was some hidden gems like Satan and Hell but they only got popular from 00's blogspots. Thrash definitely did peak in the 80's and the neothrash revival is complete garbage. With that said, I think 90's death metal and black metal blew thrash out of the park in terms of heaviness while shit like Pantera and White Zombie emphasized the catchiness of old school thrash.
>an album with a bunch of filler is one of the top three albums of hair metal
see what I'm saying?
>nowadays venues are less accommodating to rock bands than they used to be
unless it's cover bands, they'll bend over backwards to have them play. Original bands are fucked unless they play generic music like punk or thrash.

 No.1434

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>>1433
>eh idk. NWOBHM had Maiden and Def Leppard (and Motorhead but I wouldn't call them great songwriters for making the same song over and over again) but the rest of the scene was pretty forgettable.
I disagree. I think it's pretty telling how much you see '80s metal on lists of the best metal songs/albums of all time.
>Thrash definitely did peak in the 80's and the neothrash revival is complete garbage.
I tend to shy away from stylistic revivalists in metal, as they tend to come across like cargo cultists without what made the original bands good.
>see what I'm saying?
It really depends on how much you like the style enough that the good outweighs the filler for you. Honestly, even my favorite records have songs on there I don't care for. That said, despite there likely being some HIDEN JEMS out there that I'm missing, it's a pretty disappointing genre overall.
>death metal
I'm not into death metal other than the early and more garage-y sounding stuff, like Possessed and Mantas, or deathgrind like Terrorizer. I'll make an exception for Atheist, since they're my favorite death metal band period.
>black metal
I'll give you that. '90s black metal by and large craps all over the First Wave bands.
>while shit like Pantera and White Zombie emphasized the catchiness of old school thrash.
Vulgar Display of Power can definitely hang up there with the older classics.

 No.1435

>>1434
>I think it's pretty telling how much you see '80s metal on lists of the best metal songs/albums of all time
Depends on who's making the list. Rolling Stone and other old timer magazines will put a bunch of 70's/80's/some 90's shit with Sabbath being the number 1 all the time. Shit like metal injection or metalcucks are gonna load their list with new garbage and shit like Slipknot and SOAD being at the top. Pitchfork will be all 00's post-metal, 10's blackgays dogshit. With that said, I think the only NWOBHM bands that land on those lists are Motorhead and Maiden, maybe Venom and Saxon might show up at the bottom of those lists but that's about it.
>I tend to shy away from stylistic revivalists in metal, as they tend to come across like cargo cultists without what made the original bands good.
I think the main problem with those bands is that they don't realize that you can just listen to the bands their ripping off instead. I get ripping off bands like MSI and Beherit since there isn't many other bands that sound like them and they don't have like 12 or even 6 hours of material you can go back and listen to but it's a completely different story when you're ripping off an entire fucking genre that came and went 2 decades ago tho.
>I'm not into death metal other than the early and more garage-y sounding stuff
you might dig early Necrophagia. Their first album is dope and their demos are pretty bombastic to say the least.
>Vulgar Display of Power can definitely hang up there with the older classics.
forget about Vulgar Display, Cowboys from Hell can hang there.



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