No.5725
>>5700direct prose with short sentences is the best. simple, elegant, and to the point.
No.5736
>>5725I disagree, most of people who don't like complex and poetic prose are either women or manchildren who only like shitty fantasy slop.
Direct prose should only be used if you are writing something really complex and dense.
No.5761
Machiavelli was not an original thinker. All he did was document what rulers in his day were already doing.
No.5763
>>5761I disagree with that one, but there's merit in it.
No.5773
Non-fiction is more interesting than fiction. And when it comes to fiction, I'd rather read old escapist stories than navel-gazing "proper lit'rature."
No.5778
Y'all chuds incels should read Hannah Arendt.
No.5854
Sándor Márai is incredibly superior to overrated writers like Ernest Hemingway and Gabriel García Márquez who write pretentious and emotional slop for midwits without real density and poetic soul.
No.5856
Laurence Sterne and Cervantes are the OC redditors
No.5866
Satire in general is pretty boring. It can sometimes work for short stories, but a novel length satire is going too far.
No.5868
Lolita didn't make the nips lolicons, they have had a long history of it before that. I do think the book might have helped in injecting jewish poison into their minds since the authors wife was a Russian Jew.
No.5876
Balzac is one of the most overrated writers who ever lived. The main reason Boomers love him so much is strictly political.
No.5888
>>5876I've noticed this too, during the late 19th century and throughout the 20th century France lost the talent for producing any really good and original writers.
So much so that the best French writers of the 20th century were in fact of other nationalities fleeing the Soviet Union and only gained citizenship.
No.5893
>>5888I think that was a thing throughout the West. English literature also went downhill during that time. I read this old book about Victorian literature and it mentions that all the best books of the era were written in the first half of Victoria's reign. There were plenty of good books written in the second half, but hardly any great ones.
Germany produced, what, Fontane and Mann, and that's it? Russia had some good writers, but they were also behind Western Europe in almost every way. Norway had Ibsen, but, again, Scandinavia was often behind England, France, Germany, etc. too. I can't think of anything significant from Italy or Spain from that time.
American writers like Twain and Bierce were a clear step down from the days of Poe and Melville.
I guess it was just an age of extreme decadence. Books from it are very comfy, though, even if they're not masterpieces.
No.5895
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>>5889It's from the Game Sack video that parodies game-related YouTube channels.
No.5903
Don DeLillo is just another big city clueless faggot who hate "the nazis" and "small cities folk" and don't understand why eventually everything started to became shit in the 2000s.
He got prizes but his books aged badly and the same left-winger faggots who used to praise him back in the day are now letting him fall into the oblivion for not being left-winger enough.
No.5946
In January I read Captains of the Sand and this month I finally read The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, both books about children. I would say that the Brazilian book is much better, despite all the communist propaganda and sodomy involved. I expected more from Mark Twain.
No.5952
Guys, i'm starting to feel like F. Scott Fitzgerald is a really over-hyped mid writer.
No.5962
>>5946Twain sucks. He's one of those guys if he was alive now he'd be the blue-hairedest lefty cuckold imaginable.
No.5965
Faulkner is not only a great writer but he was also a based dude who constantly btfo'd other writers.
>"A hack writer who would not have been considered fourth rate in Europe."
Faulkner on Mark Twain
No.5970
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>>5969>cry on twitterAre you dogwhistling that twitter is the actual platform for skinheads!? So you're admitting that 4chan became an alternative for Reddit!?
AGH UGH OY VEYHOW DARE YOU CONFUSE LIBERALISM WITH MARXISM No.5971
>>5967>they kill cats and are generally disgusting arrogant people<but don't you know how yummy vietnamese food is???The eternal normie NEEDS to be put in camps
No.5985
Moby Dick is one of the best books ever written because it beautifully and fundamentally exposes that capitalist society and whiteness as an ideology need to be eradicated from the world.
No.5987
>>5985t. Louis
The whale is a metaphor for BBC
No.5989
>>5987I've seen Nobel Prize winners literally say that Moby Dick exposes how white people are bad and can't join tribal groups.
Besides that, I now understand better why this book is so praised by Christian cucks and liberals. It doesn't even come close to being considered the best book ever written as 4cuck /lit/ claims.
No.5990
Moby Dick? More like Moby Gay.
It's no wonder that Muttmericans think that this TRASH book can be considered on the same level as European classics.
When even Latin American books I've read were better and less HOMOSEXUAL AND CRINGE than Moby Faggy.
This TRASH book worthy of being considered a Tumblr core was shilled by MUTTmericans in a desperate attempt to pretend to be as good as the Europeans.
And guess what, decades later midwits closet homos losers actually bought the propaganda.
Moby Dick is perhaps the most overrated book written by a man along with The Lord of the Rings.
If you think Moby Dicklet deserves to be in the top 100 best books ever written you deserve the rope, troon.
No.5996
>>5991In fact, Melville goes all over the place, in some parts of the book he drools over the non-white characters, in others he says that the white man is superior to the non-whites, then he makes a big rant you the color white, then jump to passionately describe the big black guy in the crew.
No.6003
>>5992>>5991>>5990>>5989>>5987>t. got filtered by Cetology>>5996That's because Ishmael is not meant to be a stand in for Melville. He's a character in and of himself who changes over the course of the novel.
No.6016
Movies are better than books
No.6027
>>6026Tarkovsky is boring.
No.6032
>>6003I think Melville made Ishmael a glorious embodiment of himself.
There's a lot of him leaking into the character.
Apart from that I maintain that Moby Dick is overrated, the USA only got really good writers during the early 20th century, all the praise for Melville was a gayop which ended up working, is still artificial and forced.
>>6016>>6026Films are only better than books if you are a retarded who can't mentally visualize the story, and hates to stop and analyze any phrase, theme or metaphor. And nowadays you can simply put on background music to accompany your reading, making the experience even better than simply watching a flick.
No.6040
>>4690Contrarian opinions are, more often than not, poser opinions. In spaces like this, they often turn into a circlejerk of people trying to out-edge each other just to seem unique. It stops being about literature and becomes a loop of performative disagreement.
The value of an opinion shouldn't come from how unpopular it is, but from how honestly it engages with the work. Contrarianism should be a byproduct of genuine thought, not a personality trait.
I always thought that was the sentiment behind the disdain for reddit culture and homogeneity on 4chan-actually expressing real opinions that don't try to appeal to anyone.
That said, most of the contrarian opinions in this thread are pretty heckin based.
No.6049
>>4690>Virgil is shallow and phony compared to Homerbut literally everyone believes this (correctly). i don't have a lot of seriously contrarian opinions, most things are just matters of taste. i think yasunari kawabata is a much better writer and much more authentically japanese artist than yukio mishima. i think haruki murakami is overrated by weebs. i think cormac mccarthy is overrated by pseuds.
No.6053
>>5990>>5991>>5992>>5996>>6003>>6032Moby Dick is about homosexuality and masturbation, which is why the book was considered bad during the 19th century.
One of the most beautiful passages in the book is when all the crew members have sperm on their hands and end up holding hands with each other in a peaceful act of extreme camaraderie and beauty.
As a gay latino Catholic, I consider this to be the second best book ever written, second only to the Bible.
No.6054
>>6053In fact, I say it's a novel that promotes race-mixing.
Ahab could have been saved if he accepted Pip as his boy-wife, but in the end Ahab found doom because of his obsession with BWC.
No.6055
I'm not that big on Tolkien's writing style and would honestly rather read a Narnia book. I think part of it's nostalgia too.
No.6057
>>6055Both are shit. Gene Wolfe is king.
No.6075
It's not contrarian, it's just correct to say that boomers and women have ruined literature in so many different ways.