>>358861>>358866I'm starting to sour on UAPGerb. While he's highly detail oriented, he seems to lack good judgement. One glaring example of that is his promotion of the alleged Aztec crash recovery, which is almost certainly a complete hoax. I watched his video when it came out a while ago and was open to reevaluating my disbelieving stance. Recently I started researching the case more and listened to videos with Scott Ramsey, who is basically the leading proponent of it. He even did a debate with Kevin Randle, who from what I can tell is among the best UFO researchers due to his cautious attitude, devotion to verifiable facts, and willingness to change his mind based on new information. He was one of the old Roswell researchers from decades ago who interviewed old people who claimed to be involved, and he helped debunk some of the supposed witnesses to the case despite his leanings toward an extraterrestrial explanation of the case. Anyway, Ramsey got destroyed and basically just nitpicked Randle's arguments.
I have the same issue with UAPGerb as I have with Jesse Michels. He has some interesting videos and all (although I think he should slow down with the video production and focus more on getting quality guests and cut back on the sensationalism), but he holds the same view on the supposed Aztec incident. Him and UAPGerb both said they think it's a great case. What the hell? There's really nothing there. It's not like Roswell or the 1965 Kecksburg, PA case, where everyone agrees that something happened. The people of Aztec, NM didn't seem to remember anything happening, including the guy who was the local sheriff in 1948 and his son who succeeded him. Monte Shriver, an area historian, grew up there at the time it was happening and remembers no such event taking place. There's no written documentation of the Aztec crash before Frank Scully, hardly a scholarly writer, popularized it after getting fed a story by a couple of con men. And the few supposed witnesses who were interviews later on sure don't seem very reputable, even aside from the contradictions to Scully's account.
While I definitely believe there's a UFO cover up going on, to cite a story like Aztec instead of much more reputable incidents does nothing but poison the well for acceptance of the phenomenon. Just stick to the facts. While the people who say that UFO stories are all basically hoaxes and the result of circular reporting are full of it, I think they might have a point when it comes to things like this. With the extreme secrecy that's historically surrounded the topic, it's not difficult for rumors to circulate in lieu of hard information and just add to the confusion. But maybe that's just what the glowniggers and such maintaining the cover up want since, like
>>358876 shows, much of their modus operandi is reliant on pushing complete falsehoods besides just suppressing information pertaining to government and possibly private-sector involvement with UFOs. For that reason I tend to believe a lot of the "lore" associated with UFOs could be completely fictional. No researcher is perfect, but it just frustrates me to see even very smart people get taken in by dubious cases and red herrings instead of staying put on firmer ground. Speculation is also something that's inevitable to some degree given the heavy veil of secrecy, but there's no reason to get carried away and throw sober judgement out the window.
I wish there were more people like Kevin Randle out there. He has an informative blog and does radio stuff, but I think he's too dry and not media savvy enough for a large audience the way someone like Jesse Michels is. UAPGerb's videos are certainly dense, but I don't know what good that is if I can't be very confident in the validity of the information presented given some of the opinions he's expressed.
>>368622After about two weeks, I still don't know what to make of this case. The language barrier isn't helping anything, and I wasn't impressed with how the witnesses have either changed their stories or seemed to behave oddly in interviews.