/truth/ - Paranomal

Russian north is super radioactive, like geiger meter melting bad, hot spots leak into europe all the time and get attention briefly before everyone shuts up because nobody wants to talk about the fact russia got stuck half-way into this timeline so half their tech is shitty gearpunk shit or something, they've been losing control of nuclear material up near siberia for about 75 years straight.

I've heard about these incidents and general theories for them are slab avalanches
Look at the description she gave, it sounds like the ground was shifting and afterwards they were suffering from injuries
The tearing off clothes is a real documented phenomenon, it's called paradoxical undressing and it happens during extreme hypothermia. Quite common, as well. About half of all hypothermia deaths feature the deceased having at least partially removed their clothing for no reason. It's not understood why people do this, though

>>1303
Isn't one of the last stages of hypothermia feeling extremely hot just before you die? It's possible that, without thinking, they tear their clothes off trying to get cool.

>>1303
Doesn't fit the described symptoms at all, the undressing due to hypothermia would be gradual and start after the process of continually worsening hypothermia, not sudden and violently (as well as simultaneously through the group). Also doesn't explain the bleeding, foaming at the mouth, violent seizures etc.

I'd like to see a professional translation of her account (as well as her answers to more pointed questions like "What exactly happened? Was there an avalanche?"), but as it is these violent fits don't sound at all like normal reactions to injury or hypothermia. Especially the "began to develop these symptoms" line, spontaneous rapid onset foaming of the mouth and bleeding from the ears isn't a normal injury like a laceration or concussion, even ignoring that it seemed to strangely afflict the group all at once.

>>1304
That's one aspect of a lot of these cases, but it doesn't jive with everything else in the incident.

It reminds me of the "dude owls lmao" explanation for everything from mothman to the kentucky goblins. I could definitely imagine, alone at night, looking up to see an owl for a split second and given it's outline and large reflective eyes, mistaking it for something a lot bigger and scarier.

The only issue is that most of these cases bare almost no resemblance to this scenario. Owls aren't bulletproof and aren't attracted to continuous gunfire for instance, there was also nary a feather or clawprint left behind, none of the distinctive vocalizations of aggressive owls, or really anything else to indicate owls at all.

Likewise, unless this is just a translation issue leaving it out, why should we attribute these bizarre spontaneous symptoms to injury when an avalanche isn't even mentioned, and wouldn't seem to be capable of producing them anyway?

>>1284
First heard about this on episode #535 of the Dead Rabbit Radio podcast, and the host mentioned that there is a large paper mill in the area that did pollute the water supply.
The segment covering the Hamar-Daban tragedy begins at 16:15: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=53A5SNjJMz0

>>1303
Not seen any mention of a slab avalanche, or any other sort of avalanche, regarding this incident. The search and rescue team should have been able to see evidence of any form of avalanche on the surroundings and their bodies.

>>1313
Think infrasound has also been proposed for the Dyatlov pass incident. It appears that infrasound causes a sense of fear and sea sickness in humans, making them feel like something eerie and supernatural is going on. It has been proposed as an explanation for ghosts.
<<One study has suggested that infrasound may cause feelings of awe or fear in humans. It has also been suggested that since it is not consciously perceived, it may make people feel vaguely that odd or supernatural events are taking place.[38]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound#Human_reactions

In this case the people were quite young - perhaps younger individuals are more easily affected by infrasound? Some people might be less affected by infrasound than others, and that could explain why Valentina survived. If they were poisoned it would be far stranger that she didn't suffer the same fate, and that they all suffered the effects seemingly at once so suddenly.

If they experienced the negative affects associated with infrasound, that could account for Valentina's reluctance to talk about what happened, even years later. She may have had a genuine and overwhelming sensation of something eerie and supernatural happening, and seeing the awful reaction of the other hikers would have intensified this so much more; bleeding from the nose, foaming at the mouth, losing balance, screaming, &c.
In her statement Valentina says that one of the other hikers bit her when she tried to help and get them away - if they suffered the effects of infrasound they might have been terrified and thought something or someone was out to get them.

There are some interesting details www.dyatlovpass.com about this incident. One referring to some Kazakh forum discussing the incident:
<"After some time, two girls fall at once, they start rolling, tearing their clothes, grabbing their throats, the symptoms are the same, the boy is falling behind them. The girl and the guy are left, they decide to leave the most necessary things in backpacks and run down. The girl leaned over her backpack while she laid out, lifts her head, the last guy with the same symptoms rolls on the ground. The girl ran down. The night was spent under a stone, on the edge with a forest zone, the trees were falling nearby, like matches. In the morning she rose back".
This is the only time I have encountered any mention of trees falling like matches

There is also another bit that is interesting and contradicts the video of the search and rescue team:
<The scene was terrible, rescuers recall. Almost all of the victims were dressed in thin leotards, and three were barefoot. What happened on the plateau? Why, while freezing, the participants of the expedition took off their shoes? These questions remained unanswered. An autopsy was carried out in Ulan-Ude, which showed that all six died from hypothermia.
In the video the victims are all seen wearing their warm jackets and full clothing - did the search and rescue team cover them up before shooting the video? Possibly to make it easier to carry/transport them? Did Valentina, the only survivor, put the clothes back on them before she left them? If they were dressed in the clothes seen in the video, how could have they died from hypothermia?
Buryatia Dyatlov Pass: https://archive.ph/EmtHQ / https://web.archive.org/web/20201231213614/https://dyatlovpass.com/hamar-daban

>>1319
>Paper mill
If they drank untreated run-off in that area, something contaminated by solvents and dyes that could account for hemorrhaging and other symptoms. (example)https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750029.html

>>1303
The paradoxical undressing shit just sounds like a cope honestly. I've literally never heard of it except in relation to Dyatlov Pass.

Some interesting takes in the comment section of the 2018 article/interview. Some suggests that Valentina murdered the others, but it seems very odd how a seventeen-year-old girl could have killed the group leader and the twenty-three-year-old guy. Poisoning? Only to wander around the wilderness for days alone? And I would have expected a much more elaborate story if she was lying.
There is mention of Valentina having to sign a non-disclosure agreement and that the government did cover up the case. As for the autopsy finding signs of poor nutrition/protein depletion, this is rural Russia in the early 1990s and people from former Soviet Kazakhstan we are talking about: how do we know this lack of proper food was not a widespread case all over the former Soviet states? There are some quite bleak descriptions of life in Russia at the time in the comment section, people struggling to earn enough for their food.
It appears that the Russians refer to it as the Buryat tragedy (бурятской трагедии).

Two excerpts from another article on the tragedy, translated with Yandex:
<The helicopter descended, and everyone on board witnessed a terrible sight: "The picture was terrible: the bodies were already swollen, the eye sockets of all were completely eaten out. Almost all of the victims were dressed in thin tights, while three of them were barefoot. The supervisor was lying on top of Alexander…»
<What was happening on the plateau? Why did the participants of the hike take off their shoes when they were freezing? Why did a woman lay down on a dead guy? Why didn't anyone use their sleeping bags? All these questions remained unanswered. From the place of death, the group was taken out by helicopter by rescuers from Buryatia. In Ulan-Ude, an autopsy was performed, which showed that all six died of hypothermia. By this time, relatives of the missing tourists arrived in the capital of Buryatia, who eventually took the bodies home.
<Alexander Kvitnitsky, discussing the causes of the group's death, suggests that the group developed mountain sickness, which appears in high-altitude conditions: "It can be assumed that due to oxygen starvation, they could have changes in the brain that cause different reactions, including affecting the heart, blood vessels, causing hallucinations, and so on. But at the altitude that the group was at, mountain sickness almost doesn't happen."
Трагедия на Хамар-Дабане: https://archive.ph/HQfk2 / http://web.archive.org/web/20160502144409/http://baikal-info.ru/friday/2010/41/008001.html

>>1325
I'm assuming it's a real phenomenon that has become the go to catch-all to dismiss cases like this (much like all ghosts are muh sleep paralysis, all cryptid sightings are muh owls). It's often trotted out for the missing 411 cases where it doesn't really work.

>Be in the end stages of extreme hypothermia
>Strip off just muh boots because they feel so damn hot, neatly stack them under a rock
<Walk another 10 miles over mountainous terrain barefoot
<Stop and have lunch overlooking a nearby town that is clearly visible
<Leave my backpack and open thermus while wandering the opposite direction back into the wilderness
<Die

Muh paradoxical undressing just doesn't cut it for most of the weird shit a lot of these cases have.

>>1325
>>1354
It's a very real and very well documented thing well before Dyatlov pass. Spend literally 10 seconds looking it up before you schizopost.

>>1360
We aren't saying it's not real. We are saying it doesn't fully explain these incidents. In some cases it actually contradicts established facts.

>>1360
Read the post again retard

Skinswalkers.

>>1283
Didn't they say it was from chemical weapon testing they did the in mountains just a decade prior.

>>4840
No, there has never been any testing done in those mountains, much less chemical testing, that terrain is just not convenient for that. The version of chemical poisoning is expressed by Nikolay Tarasov, a trauma doctor from the Chelyabinsk region, who believes that the group was exposed to sulfuric acid vapors that probably came from China. He bases his version on testimony about the death of Krysin, who was foaming and bleeding from the mouth, which are characteristic signs of inhalation poisoning. The version about the weapons test comes from the inhabitants of the town of Petropavlosk, it is a popular rumor. Two explanatory notes were taken from the survivor Valentina Utochenko, which differ in content, and state security officers took her signature on non-disclosure. Natalia, the daughter of the deceased Lyudmila Korovina, has not seen her mother's death certificate. Moreover, no one explained to her or her relatives what happened then. As she said - "I was summoned once. And it was not the investigation department. They handed me a package with money in it and told me specifically: No questions to ask. Do you understand?"
Valentina Utochenko is not a public person and did not want to tell about what happened even to her relatives, in 2019 she was invited to a TV show and gave an interview in the newspaper, she did not add anything essentially clarifying to the situation of the death of Korovina's group, and her main task was to expose the rumors about Korovina's incompetence as the leader of the group.
But there is one important detail, Utochenko said the following: "It was very cold on the summit. It was early morning. We were sleeping. Korovina woke us up, told us to pack our things and go down into the gorge. She tried to save us. She just didn't have time. The wind was so strong that we were sliding down instead of walking. Suddenly Sasha fell. He was foaming at the mouth. Korovina sat down next to him, hugged him, and that was it. She never got up again. And such a madhouse began. And I still don't understand how long it lasted. It was like a horror movie. Everyone was falling, everyone was bleeding, foaming at the mouth, nosebleeds."
So everyone was bleeding and everyone was foaming at the mouth.
When asked how she survived, Utochenko said the following: "I was saved by Denis Shvachkin. He kicked me and said: "Crawl down". I went down. And he didn't get down. I crawled into my sleeping bag and fell into a dream. Or not sleep, but oblivion. I don't know. I woke up in the morning. I went upstairs. I saw they were all dead. I went upstairs to get the map and the compass. I also closed everyone's eyes. I don't know how I got to the Snowy River. I remember seeing power poles and following them. I guess I hadn't completely lost my mind by that time."

>>4843
All the symptoms sound like byproduct of chemical weapons regardless. Siberia in general was used for chemical weapon testing that region they were in had people go missing shortly before.

>>4844
>>region they were in had people go missing shortly before
Happens in the entirety of Russia and everywhere else with vast mountainous areas
>Siberia in general was used for chemical weapon testing
It wasn't in Siberia but the Mongolian border

>>4851
>>4844
The range is located in Buryatia, with a small section in Irkutsk Oblast. It rises near the Baikal Mountains not far from Lake Baikal. It forms a geographic prolongation of the Sayan Mountains. It's Southern Siberia. I live in the Sayan Mountains. There are a lot of things here that can't be explained rationally or scientifically. And yes, there is mysticism at work here.

>>4852
It's like that anywhere human civilization is thin.