/tv/ - Movies and Television

>>365976
>dumb shit that no one would bat an eye at has massive consequences later on
there must be a word for this due to how common it is.

>Turkey Shoot
Turkey Shoot is basically a gory version of The Most Dangerous Game set in an early-'80s retrofuturistic dystopia. And with Olivia Hussey too. My biggest gripe is that I only started to really enjoy it about halfway through when the hunt starts. It feels like it drags compared to the 1932 version of The Most Dangerous Game, which is about half an hour shorter and feels much better paced. I think what Turkey Shoot was going for was to give better context for the camp and the kind of oppressive circumstances the characters are forced to. I haven't seen Lifeforce yet and don't remember his X-Files appearance, but I also have problems taking Steve Railsback seriously in Turkey Shoot. There's just something about the way he talks that sounds comical to me. Once things start ramping up, Turkey Shoot does become an enjoyable movie though. The setting and aesthetics and larger cast of both hunters and prey characters help it stand out from the original short story of The Most Dangerous Game and its 1932 adaptation.

P.S. Dodge is a faggot.
>Strike Commando
The action music was the standout feature for me. It sounds like exactly what I imagine of when I think of a soundtrack for a low-budget '80s action movie. Besides that, I think I'd prefer to give Deadly Prey another view if I had to choose a First Blood Part II knockoff to watch. The shots of gooks effortlessly being mowed down is straight out of the Rambo parody scene in UHF, but I remember Deadly Prey doing bad worse than Strike Commando. I think more variety would have helped Strike Commando. He does blow up a boat, but I would have liked to have seen Reb Brown blow a tank or helicopter to smithereens. I get that there were budgetary limitations, but it would have been much more satisfying. The movie already feels like a silly live-action version of an old run-and-gun game like Ikari Warriors, Commando, or Guerrilla War, but it would been better if it had been able to go all the way.
>Eliminators
I don't think Eliminators is up to the level of the better Empire movies. There's some really on-the-nose feminist propaganda in one scene that makes me think less of it, and I wish it was less centered around the boat trip. On the other hand, the movie strikes a good balance of being lighthearted without feeling too self-conscious. It has a similar kind of fun, charming tone to Trancers or Zone Troopers, which shouldn't be too surprising. I like the way the movie tries to combine elements of several different genres without feeling like it's trying to be a spoof. You've got a proto-Robocop "Mandroid" teaming up with a genius scientist womyn and her R2-D2 knockoff, and then there's a self-interested riverboat captain and a vaguely Asian (Chinese actor, Japanese name) martial arts man. On top of that there's another plot element that I don't want to spoil. The Mandroid getup looks pretty good for a low-budget movie like this. He even has a "mobile unit" he can use by removing his legs and hooking up to tank treads. I'm not really sure what the advantage is, but it's kind of a neat effect. It's also nice to see Denise Crosby with a decent hairstyle. I was never attracted to Tasha Yar at all solely because of her haircut. While those things add to the experience for me, I'd rather just watch those other two movies I mentioned.
>Gymkata
The gymnastics-based fight scenes are fun to watch and everything, but I didn't find the rest of the movie all that entertaining until the start of the Game. Making the main character such a rice boiler also didn't sit well with me. With that said, I also ended up watching the movie over two nights and was extremely tired the second night and so couldn't really get into the flow of the movie. I felt like I'd been drugged during the sequence with the insane townsfolk. Gymkata is no Miami Connection, but I imagine you could do a lot worse if you're looking for an enjoyably bad '80s martial arts movie.

I also thought I'd mention that the Chinese Jap from Eliminators also appears in Gymkata, which is a weird coincidence considering it was the first movie I watched after Eliminators and had no clue that actor would be in it.
>Crawlspace
I didn't find it to have much going for it other than the presence of Klaus Kinski. Considering they had him aboard, the movie was a missed opportunity. They should have come up with better ideas for the villain. The more soft-spoken approach he takes to this movie compared to the roles he's more famous for makes the character seem especially sleazy and repulsive though. The story behind the making of the movie is more interesting than the movie itself.

>Frankenhooker
I was more entertained by this one than I anticipated. I don't even know why, especially since I don't like horror comedies most of the time. The news report scene definitely made me chuckle. If you can handle a copious amount of nudity and dismembered body parts and enjoy horror comedies, maybe you'd find it worth a watch too.
>Wake in Fright
Pretty bleak viewing. Even outside of the wanton kangaroo killing it's pretty unpleasant. It almost reminds me of the repulsiveness of a Harmony Korine movie, like Gummo or Julien Donkey Boy, but it's much more structured than those, less broad in scope, and definitely less experimental. I think it's done well enough, and it really gets across the feeling of sinking into a morass of self-degradation, but it's also the kind of movie that'll make you feel like you need a shower afterward.
>Streets of Fire
While I found the '50s-'80s hybrid setting intriguing and it has some panache with its imagery heavy on rain-soaked streets and neon reflections, stylized scene transitions, and music-video-like editing at times, I thought it fell pretty short otherwise. It's short on story and drama, for one thing, and the characters feel flat. Tom Cody feels too much like a Gary Stu to me in terms of his toughness and capability. I would have liked to see him get in a situation where it seems like he's bitten off more than he could chew. I get that he's supposed to be like a comic-book hero, but I would have liked him to be written to be a little bit more of a particularly strong everyman. Indiana Jones isn't a particularly deep movie protagonist, but one of the reasons he works is that the character works, as shallow as he is, is that he gets himself into suspenseful situations where he's genuinely threatened. It's been days since I watched Streets of Fire now, but I don't remember much tension in Streets of Fire's action scenes. The other characters didn't do anything for me either. While I'm not inherently against butch female characters, I found McCoy annoying for similar reasons. She's too much of an overly capable tuff grrl, and I got irritated whenever she'd talk about how much of a soldier she is. The dweeby showbiz Jew man played by Rick Moranis is another annoying character. The guy never stops complaining. And what's with Ellen Aim's star status in the movie? She sure didn't impress me very much, yet everyone seems to be awestruck by her talent. Speaking of her, some of the music also leans more heavily into an '80s direction than feels appropriate to me in a movie like this that is trying to create a '50s or early-'60s-inspired world.

It apparently influenced the creation of Final Fight, which I've never actually played, but the whole aesthetic makes me think more of River City Ransom. The main tune from River City Ransom is also better than any piece of music I remember hearing in Streets of Fire.
>Blind Fury
This would be a pretty standard movie if it didn't start Rutger Hauer as a blind swordsman. I always just thought of him as Roy Batty and never really noticed how perfect his American accent was for a Dutch guy. I'm kind of curious about seeing him in other roles now. I recommend Blind Fury if you want to watch an '80s action movie that isn't one of the top-shelf ones everybody's seen.

>>366183
>She's too much of an overly capable tuff grrl, and I got irritated whenever she'd talk about how much of a soldier she is.
True, but IIRC they weren't going for a girl power angle with that character. It was originally supposed to be a man but the actress convinced them to cast her.

>>366201
Yeah, it looks like you're right. I still would have preferred her and Tom Cody to be a bit more flawed. It feels kind of jarring to see a tomboyish but otherwise pretty normal woman beating up fully grown men without a hitch.

Just saw this. I thought it started off promising enough with the protagonist finding himself alone in the world and gradually losing touch with sanity. The way he chases luxury after his world's thrown upside down reminded me a bit of the mall scenes in Dawn of the Dead. Instead of zombies or other people, it's more about the character's total isolation.

It did feel like a relief as soon as another character shows up, but once that happened the movie didn't really go anywhere. There's also a feminist remark about men making all the decisions in the pre-apocalyptic world. And as soon as the Maori is introduced, the movie goes right down the crapper. The lead gets cucked by him. The Maori brings up information that paints him in a bad light, but it turns out it was just a misunderstanding and that he's really a great guy at heart. I knew beforehand that The Quiet Earth was considered a remake of an old Harry Belafonte movie that pushed race poz, but I wasn't aware that it would follow it that closely.

Avoid this bowel movement. You'd be better served by watching something like "Time Enough at Last" and not wasting your time with junk like The Quiet Earth.

>Legend
The beginning of the movie seemed pretty promising to me. There were some nice shots that reminded me of a 19th-century painting. There was some golden lighting at times that reminded me of a Maxfield Parrish piece.

I think the movie took a step down after that with the darker visual turn it took. I can admit there are still some nice shots and all, like the fire-lit ones in the Lord of Darkness's lair, but they didn't really have my interest by that point. There's something about the film that feels a bit confusing and disorienting to me, like I don't have that clear of a sense of where the characters go relative to where they'd previously been. The makeup is well done from a technical standpoint, but I would have preferred less grotesque character designs. The Lord of Darkness looks like someone took a gigachad, painted his face red, and put ridiculously large horns on the top of his head. The dwarfs also have more over-the-top features than I'd like. The Honeythorn Gump character has more minimal makeup but comes across as less distracting, I think. I'll give them credit for casting the right actor for the part too. He looks perfect for the role.

Outside of some of the visual aspects, I don't think the movie's anything to write home about. I watched the theatrical version with the Tangerine Dream music, and unlike Risky Business I wasn't a fan of what they did with Legend. It lacks magic, and I also remember hearing that distracting Emulator II shakuhachi preset repeatedly. I think their style back in the Phaedra days sounds more timeless and would have worked better in a fantasy movie.

Maybe I missed something by not watching the director's cut, but I don't think Legend is a movie I'd encourage people to watch.
>Barbarella
A campy, eroticized science fiction movie featuring Jane Fonda before her Hanoi Jane period. The tone makes me think of the 1980 Flash Gordon adaptation, and both were Dino De Laurentiis productions. The angel Pygar even reminds me a bit of one of the Hawkmen.

It's more of an odd curiosity piece than anything, but it's imaginative and the production design is pretty interesting.
>Zardoz
I wasn't sure what to expect out of Zardoz. I'd seen the famous shot of Sean Connery in that horrible red bikini getup and the stupid ponytail, but outside of that I wasn't sure what I'd be watching. Would it have a lighthearted tone like Barbarella? Would it be a pulpy adventure story set in the future? In reality it mostly seems to be aiming for an intellectual approach. That coupled with the use of the second movement from Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 makes it come across as pretty pretentious. It feels to me almost like it's trying to emulate something like A Clockwork Orange.

I honestly didn't catch that much of the plot. It involves religion being used to control a bunch of savages and a society of eternal overlord beings who long for death and want Sean Connery's barbaric outsider character to set them free. I'd have to watch it again to catch more of the actual storyline.

But did I actually like it? I'm not sure what to think. The costumes look pretty dumb. The image of the giant stone Zardoz head flying around the countryside distributing weapons and ammo is actually pretty cool, as silly as it traveling the land to tell people about how bad their penises are is. The story seems like it might be interesting enough to warrant another viewing. While it seems pretty unique, I can't say I thought the movie was cinematic gold or even all that entertaining.
>The Dark Crystal
The puppetry is fantastic, and I felt the movie to be very immersive in its worldbuilding. I definitely plan on watching it again.
>Labyrinth
While I thought it was ultimately pretty enjoyable for what it is, I found it to be inferior to The Dark Crystal and also the kinds of stories it was inspired by. I'd take Oz over Jareth's kingdom any day. Speaking of Oz, the voice actress who did the voice of Billina in Return to Oz also appears in Labyrinth as the voice of the junk lady. Unlike Return to Oz, which has a fantastic score, Labyrinth really tries to put its music front and center. Unfortunately, I think it fails at it. I've never been big on most of David Bowie's music in the first place (Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence really dodged a bullet by having the much more talent Ryuichi Sakamoto take over that area), but the musical numbers feel unwarranted. They're pretty unremarkable, and the score from Trevor Jones isn't any better. While Return to Oz has a poignant, melancholic score infused with some 1890s influences that ultimately fits the movie like a glove, Labyrinth's score is just a run-of-the-mill '80s electronic background music that does little to evoke a wondrous fantasy world. The aesthetic also feels less distinctive compared to The Dark Crystal.

I'd still recommend Labyrinth, but I don't think it's the best of these '80s fantasy movies or anything.

>>366594
That's kinda what I thought about Zardoz too.There's an idea buried in there somewhere that's kinda cool and meaningful but I don't get the impression the filmmakers were particularly intelligent enough to do anything with it. Like if a filmmakers that wasn't a doped out hippie would've made something like it it may have been onto something but as-is it's not that interesting nor entertaining of a movie.

>>366598
You must not have been paying attention to the movie to miss that Zardoz is actually taking aim at hippie utopianism. The eternals and their whole society are presented as grotesque and hellish in their own way, leading multiple character to conclude that they must be destroyed.

>>366600
No, I get that that's the point of the movie. I'm just saying the movie wasn't very good. A better filmmaker than whoever the fuck made it could've taken that concept and probably made something more entertaining to watch and probably made it far less, like, embarassing. It's basically only remembered anymore for a meme image.

this thread comes up in some search engines as the description for the site

>>366642
Was always a Neet Wizard fan tbh, but I still enjoy Patty the Popper. Always thought he was Gahoole's Melvin analogue.

>>366623
>It's basically only remembered anymore for a meme image.
I think it's a genuinely great piece of '70s dystopian science fiction on par with Soylent Green and Andromeda Strain.

I watched "Master and Commander" the other night and enjoyed it immensely. 9/10, possibly a 10

>>366658
I appreciate brief reviews like this once in a while, it's a reprieve from the AI essays.

>>366598
>There's an idea buried in there somewhere that's kinda cool and meaningful
That's why I feel like I can't completely write it off. I have this feeling like there's something I missed the first time around, and that bothers me.
>but I don't get the impression the filmmakers were particularly intelligent enough to do anything with it.
Maybe John Boorman was in over his head with Zardoz, but I'll give him credit for Excalibur.
>>366644
I don't know that I'd agree with that, but I get what you mean. I feel like I'd possibly get more out of it if I watched it a second time. It's definitely not irredeemable trash or anything.

The Andromeda Strain is one on my backlog I still haven't watched.
>>366659
If I'm who you're thinking of, I don't use AI at all.

>>366659
I thought the movie went hard, it was badass the stuff they did in it, and it filled me with a wellspring of energy and racial pride to witness. Britannia rules the seas, forevermore! I'm glad you appreciate my review

what the fuck

>>366755
Rent-free.

>posts nigger porn again
now THAT'S seething

Fire Over England is a great companion to piece to The Sea Hawk. It was made around the same time, it has the same setting, and it even has the same actress, Flora Robson playing Queen Elizabeth. The plot is kind of similar too; Elizabeth sends a dashing young swordsman on a secret mission to save England from Spain.
The writing and the acting are better than The Sea Hawk. Flora Robson's performance is incredible. Her take on Elizabeth I is the best queen character in any movie I've ever seen, and I will be nominating her for next year's queen awards if there even is one. Laurence Oliveir is very good too. The guy they got to play the King of Spain isn't as good Basil Rathbone's take on him in The Sea Hawk, but he isn't bad. Vivian Leigh gives the worst performance in my opinion. It's not that she's bad, it's just that everyone else is so much better that it makes her (relatively) mediocre acting stand out.
The cinematography is above average for its era, but nowhere near as good as The Sea Hawk. The final defeat of the Spanish Armada at the end feels like a bit of a let down, which is a shame because that should be the climax of the film. I guess it was the best a British film studio could do in the 30s.
Overall, I'd recommend the movie if you like old costume dramas.

The other day I watched "Master and Commander". After letting it percolate in my mind, I'm bumping it up to 10/10. And now for something completely different. Today I watched "Requiem for a Dream". This is a 1/10. I threw this movie in the trash after finishing it. I'm amazed I even finished it. Its just overwhelmingly brutally depressing. I'm sure I've seen something more depressing and more fucked up than this, but am struggling to find contenders. What a meaningless pile of nihilistic shit. I normally have an iron stomach, but this movie just made me nauseous and disoriented and again, brutally, BRUTALLY, depressed.

>>366999
I knew it had a bad reputation so I didn't watch, just skimmed through it and trashed it.

>>367003
the jews think they are so hardcore and edgy with their Loxism-fueled hate, but really its just cringe and gay. I'm gonna palate-cleanse with some oldies and re-watch a few movies I like before watching a new one

I know it's not a proper movie, but The Will Stancil Show Christmas Special was better than I was expecting it to be.

>>367620
This was the most coherent episode yet.
It's still a disjointed, skitzo mess. But it's at least getting better, this episode at least has an arc
Youcis obviously want to suck Sancil's dick so hard the white drains from his eyeballs

>>367628
>Youcis obviously want to suck Sancil's dick
She's married.

>>367644
Good for her.
Married people still have fantasies about people they interact with. Especially if the policy wonk in question looks like the dad that molested her.

>>367665
I don't think it's that deep, he's just some jerk who attacked her, so she decided to become a thorn in his side.

>>367620
it was kino

Today I watched "Dead Ringers". I give this movie a 7.5/10. Jeremy Irons acting in it is superb. This movie was bizarre, perverted, and demented but I still enjoyed it because Irons acting was just that good. I don't want to spoil the plot, its so bizarre you just need to see it for yourself. A gynecologist makes tools for alien vaginas and does a lot of drugs. He has an identical twin brother. Lots of drugs, sex, dream symbolism, psychology. Its very weird. Jeremy Irons is a good actor, I don't think I could have finished this movie without him, its so perverse. I am the same anon who watched "Requiem for a Dream" earlier ITT and decided, screw it, I will just lean in and keep watching gross-out hardcore jewish smut until my body and soul taps out and I need a reprieve, lol.

Saw this Japanese movie called Kokuho. A 3 hr long drama about Kabuki which released in June 2025 and went on to become the highest grossing live action japanese film ever.

Everything from story, acting, cinematography etc was perfection.

It's about a boy and his journey to become a great kabuki artist that specializes in "onnagata" (female roles played by men inb4 >trainime). I didn't know much about kabuki but I still immensely enjoyed it. The kabuki scenes themselves were a highlight of the film.

>>368693
shameless rip off of The Jazz Singer

>>368717
Not really. Kabuki with men dressing up as women has existed for over 400 years, long before blackface. Also in the movie no one is against the characters from being kabuki artists.

>>368693
Kabuki was the original tranime.

City on Fire is a good movie, but not a great one. It's most well known in the west for being the "inspiration" for Reservoir Dogs. Tarantino just took the last 15 minutes and stretched it out into a full movie. And it's easy to see why he only used that one part as "inspiration," it's the only part that stands out. Everything leading up to it is kind of generic as far as 80s action crime movies go, even it is well done. I would take almost any John Woo movie over City on Fire.

Watched Pickup on South Street last night. Pretty good noir with good cinematography. The romance is ridiculous, but the two main characters are so trashy you can kind of believe it (their first kiss happens two minutes after the man finds the woman robbing him and punches her out). Jean Peters plays a very believably stupid heroine. Before she says a word, you can already tell she's not too bright by her expressions. The highlight of the movie Thelma Ritter as the old police informant. This is probably the best performance of her career, which is saying a lot.
The movie is also interesting because of how explicitly it talks about communist infiltration in America. Even in the 50s, you didn't see that very often. Supposedly, it had to be censored in France for that reason.
Overall, I'd give it a 7 or 8 out of 10. It's not a masterpiece, but it does make me want to check out more Sam Fuller's work.

Scott of the Antarctic
Visuals and acting are amazing. The last act is pure depressing frozen hellscape kino. But when the characters start dying, it doesn't hit you as hard as it probably should because they barely flesh them out at all. The most memorable character is a guy who's biggest personality trait is that he likes to drink. Also, the first 30 minutes before they get to Antarctica are kind of boring.

Goldeneye
About as good as a Bond movie made in the 90s could be, though it feels like the movie doesn't really get going until the second half. The action scenes are great and the villain might be my favorite in the franchise.
I wonder if certain youtubers have gone back and accused Goldeneye of being woke or proto-woke. It has elements that could make one think that: the new female M literally calling Bond a sexist misogynist, the muscle for the bad guys being a woman who kills men while dominating them sexually, and the Bond girl being a woman who is Bond's equal in most, if not all respects; she has nerves of steel, can hold her own in a gun fight, and can even quip as well as Bond. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think it's "woke" or feminist or anything like that. It seems more like the writers just wanted to explore how Bond would do in the modern world where women are, for better or worse, more powerful than they used to be. Bond himself isn't any weaker or more subservient. When he says, "Yes sir" to the Bond girl, he's obviously being tongue-in-cheek.
All that being said, something about the Bond girl hits me wrong. She's not annoying or anything, but something about the way she's written feels too self-conscious. And the way she's able to keep up with Bond is a hard to believe when she's just some random programmer who sits at a computer all day, working with sweaty nerds like Boris (maybe there was some line I missed about her working out a lot or something). The romance ends up feeling forced and shallow even by Bond standards.

This was my lastest watch and my God, this has to be the most insipid thing I've ever seen. A dystopia for children and manchildren. The "fascism" of the regime is barely shown or elaborated after the introduction scene for V, and the entire fascist faction is cartoonishly villainous with absolutely no subtlety. For fuck's sake, the fascist leader is deliberately casted and acted to be a lot like Hitler, and fucking talks on a large screen with a close up of his face like Big Brother from 1984. Not to mention the villains are literally nazis in everything but name. And that's the central theme of the film.
This film is tasteless garbage, and I'm not even a right-wing extremist who's offended at fascism being portrayed negatively, mind you.

>>369541
This was the movie of the millennial generation of anons. What is the movie of zoomer anons?

>>369452
Goldeneye is one of the best Bond films precisely because it's an attack on the whole stupid idea of Bond. Alec did nothing wrong. James reveals in the final act that he's just a merciless scumbag in it for himself, instrumentalized by MI6 to manage the vanishing British Empire that English aristocrats still have delusions of grandeur over.

>>369543
Probably Joker

>>369570
True, I forgot about it.

>>369541
You just know Alan Moore shills for Keir Starmer too.
You just plain old fashioned know.

I can appreciate its borderline experimental nature. While the TV show was a bit more stylistically unusual for its time than you'd expect, Head essentially takes a wrecking ball to The Monkees' artificial TV image. There's a lot of out-of-the-box thinking for a movie that involves characters repeatedly getting trapped in a box. On the other hand, I don't think I've smoked enough banana peels to really understand it. There are also a few scenes of blatant anti-white poz in the movie that really drag it down for me, most notably Frank Zappa trying to insult Davy Jones after a musical number by calling his act "white." It's not the first time for Frank Zappa to make anti-white statements like that. See the lyrics to "Trouble Every Day" by the Mothers of Invention. As a curator of film, I feel responsible to let you know that, as much as I can appreciate Head's creativity, there's some conspicuous anti-white "jokes" that are not funny whatsoever. And they were wrong back then, they're wrong now, and that's just something as a word of precaution. It kind of makes me wonder who was responsible for those parts of the movie. Could it have been Jack Nicholson? Maybe, but I don't care enough to try and find out.

>Star Trek: The Motion Picture
For as much criticism as it gets, I didn't think it was bad besides the plot basically just being a retread of "The Changeling." The glacial pacing and lack of action weren't a problem for me, although maybe I was just in the right mood for it. I liked some of the character work, like Kirk having to accept he's not at the top of his game anymore and Spock realizing the limitations of pure logic.
>Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
This one felt like it was going over old ground again in a similar way to the first movie, although more directly being an outright followup to an episode of the show. There's more action in comparison to the first movie, but I preferred the style of that one than The Wrath of Khan. Some of the plot elements of Star Trek II just feel uncreative and a bit desperate, like the ending and the stuff with yet another one of Kirk's old flames. I thought the Project Genesis concept was neat though. I'd still rather just watch "Space Seed" again.

Maybe part of my problem is how my expectations were too high given how much praise the movie gets. It could be that I need to give it some time and see it again.
>Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
The third movie felt more focused in scope to me than Star Trek II. Honestly, I thought it was more enjoyable than The Wrath of Khan. It seems to have less action than The Wrath of Khan but more than The Motion Picture. I just got done watching it and feel like I'd have more thoughts after it's been in my head a while, but that's about all I can think of regarding my current thoughts.

I plan on continuing with the next three Star Trek flicks, but so far I prefer TOS and TAS to anything the movies have to offer. I don't expect that's going to change much.

>Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Aside from the over-the-top "save the whales" messaging, this one is a lot of fun. Star Trek had already been done time travel several times by this point, but it was really enjoyable to see the Enterprise crew trying to blend in with locals in '80s San Francisco and I found the more humorous approach to be a welcome one. I liked the way the secondary crew members split up to focus on tasks away from the rest of the ship. It gave it kind of an ensemble feel. Sulu didn't have much screen time, but I'm not going to complain about seeing less George Takei. Speaking of him, I felt like it was both appropriate and unintentionally funny that Sulu mentions that he was born in San Francisco.

What's the difference between an astronaut and a residence of San Francisco? An astro's not likely to catch AIDS.

Anyway, The Voyage Home is my favorite movie in the series.
>Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
I don't understand the hatred this one gets. The special effects are bad and it's definitely silly, but Star Trek in general is pretty silly. I enjoyed the character-focused parts especially. The Spock-Sybok connection is more of the typical soap-opera-tier stuff that the series had already done with Kirk and David in The Wrath of Khan, but Sybok is my favorite of all the villains the movies had. The idea of a Vulcan going rogue and becoming a desert messiah is one I find interesting. I find him more compelling than Khan, who benefits from Ricardo Montalban's scenery chewing but didn't feel like the genius he was supposed to be. Sybok's motivations make his character feel less flat than a eugenically created superman who's driven by rage toward Kirk.

The Final Frontier isn't some great classic of cinema, but I don't think any of these movies are.
>Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
It's basically a political thriller in space. It really didn't do much for me, and the heavy-handed anti-"prejudice" agenda (a Klingon woman even complains about the Federations "racism" when the phrase "human rights" is used) lowers the movie in my estimation. I also didn't like the way Kirk "corrects" himself to "no one" in the politically correct TNG style when repeating the famous "where no man has gone before" line. I found Chang constantly quoting Shakespeare to be annoying too, although I guess that was even acknowledged in the movie. And I can't say I'm big on the special effects either. It's also an obvious allegory for the end of the Cold War. I think it would have been better to put the TOS crew out to pasture on a more low-key note.

My take on the Star Trek movie series is that they feel like glorified TV movies in a lot of ways. As far as Star Trek goes I'm basically a TOS and TAS guy, but I feel like the movies have their moments. Where I think they shine is their more lighthearted moments and how they flesh out the characters in a way that adds some depth. You get to see Kirk having a midlife crisis, Scotty getting defensive over the reputation of the aging Enterprise, the main trio going camping together as old friends, and even Spock realizing that pure logic has its limits. Spock as a character comes across to me in the shows as mostly cold and unsympathetic, but I found him to be much more likable in the movies. While I definitely prefer the older shows (especially aesthetically), the characters were like cardboard in comparison.

Also, I learned just before I started writing all this that yesterday was the Shatman's 95th birthday.

>>370397
>The Voyage Home is my favorite movie in the series.
Most dogshit movie in the franchise until the Abramstrek abortions. In fact in many ways, their model is all the moronic, offensively anti-Star-Trek shit in IV.

>>370397
*resident
>>370398
>Most dogshit movie in the franchise until the Abramstrek abortions.
What I should have said was the one I found the most entertaining. This is also my first time watching the movies. So as much I had a good time with it, I might not feel that way after seeing them again. I liked the levity of The Voyage Home, but after a couple more viewings it might not hold up very well with me. Maybe the ones I didn't like as much will connect with me better eventually too.
>In fact in many ways, their model is all the moronic, offensively anti-Star-Trek shit in IV.
I think the movies started going off course from a pure Star Trek experience after The Motion Picture. It might not be packed with action, but action was only one part of what made Star Trek what it was. When Star Trek moves too far in the action direction it just feels like it's imitating Star Wars to me.

I just wrapped up the series less than a day ago, but I feel like Star Trek: The Motion Picture might end up being my favorite on a long enough timescale.

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I only saw each of these films once about 10 years ago. 3, 4, and 5 stand out to me the most so I think on that metric they are the best. Dead Spock, whales, God. Overall, none of the films are very memorable but those three in particular are the ones that left any impression on me.